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Idiots director Macon Blair’s latest comedy movie is out in theaters starting today. The director spoke with ComingSoon’s Tyler Treese about the film‘s use of philosophy and religion, working with Dave Franco and O’Shea Jackson Jr., and Nicholas Braun’s ridiculous rapper character.

“Two unqualified bozos (Dave Franco and O’Shea Jackson Jr.) are hired to transfer a rich teen (Mason Thames) to rehab when their straightforward gig quickly spirals into dangerous mayhem,” says the official synopsis.

Tyler Treese: Macon, one of my favorite elements of Dave Franco’s character is that he really thinks he is a role model. He kind of has this desire to do good, but he’s just so stupid. Can you speak to just unlocking that? Because I feel like that makes the character so much more effective and interesting than if he was just kind of a shithead.

Macon Blair: Yeah, I mean, there’s something about people who are misplaced in their efforts and kind of think they’re doing the best thing possible, when from our perspective, we can see the wheels coming off way before they can. But I just find that charming.

I think there’s a lot of that in Toxie. Honestly, there’s a lot of that in the first movie, too. I think there’s just something about people who are trying. He literally enunciates this in the movie. But people that are trying their best, even when their best is really insufficient, that’s just kind of charming to me. I always end up going back to that for some reason.

Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that Marsha Linehan quote: “Everyone is doing the best they are able to at that given moment.” Is that a philosophy that you really subscribe to? Because it’s presented in the film, like you said, quite literally by Dave’s character.

Yeah, actually. A friend of mine years ago, when I was much younger, her father said that to me. At the time, I was like, “That doesn’t make any fucking sense at all.”

I completely, kindly, rejected it. I was like, “That makes no sense.” But I was not understanding what he meant. What he meant was that it’s what they are capable of at that moment, which is an important distinction. As I’ve gotten older, it started to make more and more sense to me.

It’s not that I wanted to front-load the movie with that sentiment. But as I was thinking about Mark and the types of things he would talk about as he’s destroyed this man’s hotel room or ruined a job or whatever else he does, his fallback, which is kind of like his own get-out-of-jail-free card, is that philosophy of, “Well, I mean, I did my best.”

It sort of puts the other person in a place where it’s kind of hard to argue. You’re like, “Well, your best wasn’t very good, and it caused a lot of problems for people around you.” But I think he maybe clings to that philosophy a little dishonestly.

Outside of the context of the movie, I do think it’s interesting.

Yeah, I had a similar reaction. I’d never heard this quote until I watched your film, and I was kind of just like, “Oh, that’s BS.” But I’ve been thinking about it. I’ve watched the movie twice now, and I do see value in that. So that is a very interesting thing that I’ve been going back and thinking upon.

Macon Blair: The way the guy explained it to me who first said it, he was like, “No, no, no, you’re looking at everything from what you think your best is. But what that person’s best is on that particular day, for reasons you don’t have any access to and you have no business knowing, that is the best that they’re doing. It may not be very good. It may not be what you want. But they’re not capable of more.”

I had to think about it a little bit to understand where he was coming from. But yeah.

I was really interested by O’Shea’s character as well. Religion is a large part of him. Did you grow up religious? Is that something that was just kind of natural to incorporate, or how did that come about?

I personally was never really religious. My grandfathers were pastors, and we did have to go to church growing up. But it was more like an obligatory thing. I never felt connected to it at all. As soon as I didn’t have to go, when I was out of elementary school, I kind of rejected it.

But it’s something that I just find fascinating because I think there are aspects to it that, in its best form, help people. It gives them comfort and community and can do good in the world. But so often, it’s not that. It’s its worst form. It’s being used to divide people and demonize people and make money and all these things that don’t really align with the philosophy of, “Love thy neighbor,” and all this shit. So there’s a hypocrisy to the institutional version. There’s something about those two things existing side by side that’s interesting to me.

When it comes to Davis, I think of him as somebody who really is — he’s not great at it, and he makes plenty of mistakes, and he’s kind of short-sighted in a lot of ways. But he does have the thinking of, “What can I be doing to help other people, help my fellow man, help other people?”

I think that version is very aspirational, and it runs contrary to the more industrial version of religion that sort of owns everything these days.

I love one scene in particular where he says, “I wanna be good. I wanna be good so bad, but I can’t. You won’t let me be good. Why won’t you let me?” That was just a really relatable moment, maybe not always in the religious sense, but I’ve definitely had those feelings of just yearning to achieve more. So I thought that was such an interesting scene that really told us so much about that character.

Macon Blair: Oh, thanks. Yeah, I mean, what I like about that one is that, at that point in the movie, setting aside the fact that he’s been drugged and he’s not aware of that, he’s sort of putting off all these consequences on something that God or whatever is responsible for.

Then by the end of the movie, at least in some way, he’s kind of figured out that he can take responsibility for all of that. So I love that scene because I thought O’Shea did a wonderful performance, but also I like that it gives that character a little place to bounce off from. It’s a sort of fallback position of, “Oh, it’s all in God’s hands,” and he’s able to move on to, “No, no, no, it can be in my hands.” That’s meaningful to him.

The funniest I laughed in the film — and it’s kind of stupid — but Dave Franco has this great line delivery where he just mispronounces the word “perverts,” then he says it again all angry. Was that in the script, or was that just a funny thing that happened? That just kills me each time I watch it.

Macon Blair: It was a thing that Dave thought of in rehearsals. We did a day of rehearsal before we started shooting, and that was the thing that he came up with. I don’t know if it was accidental or if it was deliberate, but it was so funny that I took it and put that in the script so that a couple of weeks later, when we actually shot that scene, we would have it in there.

But yeah, that was something Dave came up with. He was really great at, whatever the scene was, figuring out, “Is there any other little extra level of nuance or detail or something that he could bring to it?”

He was really invested in that. More often than not, whatever he came up with ends up in the movie.

You also have some really great actors playing against type here. Nicholas Braun comes to mind, and Peter Dinklage. How was it just really playing with expectations? We all know Nicholas as Cousin Greg from Succession, and here he is Pricka Bush da Werewoof, like a SoundCloud rapper.

Macon Blair: Oh, well, listen, man, if you do a Google search after this, you will see that he’s off and running. He wants to write more and more tunes, and he’s constantly recording new stuff as that character, which is awesome.

Do you feel like they engage more when they really get to go outside and do something completely out of left field?

Macon Blair: I don’t know. I would just assume that those guys engage with 100% focus and energy, whatever it is.

What happened with Nick, though, was that we nearly made this movie in 2017, and then the money fell apart. But we were in pre-production and we had a lot of the cast in place. Nick, pre-Succession, had auditioned for that character and just did an amazing audition that, in the years following, even after the movie fell apart, I was still thinking, “I wonder what happened to that dude? His audition was great.”

Then I saw Succession and I was like, “Oh, that’s him. Great. Good for him.” So when the movie came back around, I was honestly kind of worried that he maybe had leveled out of what we were doing. It was kind of a smaller movie, and I thought he might be too big.

But when I called him, he was like, “Oh yeah, I heard this was happening. I’ve been waiting for you to call.” He had been thinking about that character the whole time. He had done a lot of research, and he got together with the composers on the movie back then and wrote songs. He was in it. So we were very delighted to get him back.

Then with Peter, I just got lucky. I met him a couple of years ago, and we started trading scripts and talking about potentially doing stuff together. As a result, it’s worked out that I’ve gotten to work with him on a couple of things.

He would invite me over to do a little part on one of his movies and vice versa, and that led to Toxie. I just like hanging out with him. So when we had the opportunity to offer him this role, I knew that he would do something fun.

I think the main thing was that if Nick was going to be exuberant and insane and over the top, Peter would be very sedate and kind of calm and quiet in the midst of all this craziness, and have that be a little bit of hot and cold going on.

But yeah, I just like hanging out with him, and I like getting to work with him whenever I can.

Tyler Treese: Are you going to try to do more with Peter whenever possible? Because you mentioned acting with him. I saw you were in that Western, The Thicket. I didn’t realize you were in it until today when I was looking at your credits, and I was like, “Oh, I totally missed it.”

Well, I had a small part. I was up there for about a week, but yeah, Peter invited me onto that.

The DP on The Thicket is Guillermo Garza. That movie also had a very tight schedule. It was out in the wilderness. It was in the cold. It’s a Western, so it’s horses and shit. Guillermo, the DP, was so good at moving so quickly under these kind of crazy conditions. That’s what made me think of him for this movie. We were very lucky to get him to shoot this as well. It all sort of flows from one project to the next.

But to answer your question, yeah, I would love to keep doing stuff with Peter as long as he will say yes.

This was originally titled The Shitheads. It got changed to Idiots for a pretty easy-to-know reason. The Shitheads is pretty hard to market, but is there a little part of you that’s sad that The Shitheads went by the wayside?

Of course, yeah. In my heart, that’s how I still think of it. But nobody forced the title on us. They were like, “Look, these are the hoops we’re going to have to jump through in terms of promotion if we keep that title.”

It was partially that it was going to be hard to find on VOD. But it was also that if we did posters in public, we would have to obscure the title, hide certain letters. It started to feel like, at what point does it become too much? It starts to feel desperate. We named it that because it was sort of casual and funny. But if you put a big spotlight on it, it becomes less funny.

So just the problems we were going to have with promotion and that sort of thing, Dave and Alex, the producer, and I got together over one weekend and brainstormed about 20 alternate titles. This was the one that we liked the best. It fits the movie really well. It sums up the guys. It sums up the tone of the movie.

So it’s all good. If that’s the one big compromise we have to make, I’m okay with that because, ultimately, we didn’t have to change anything in the movie itself. We were kind of left to our own devices as far as that goes. So it’s okay.

Thanks to Macon Blair for taking the time to talk about Idiots.

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